Zainal Aqtab
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His role in defending FUREC
Announcement :Part 1
The deviously planned and recorded telephone call : Part 2
The major fitna from his freinds and colleagues
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Why is he defending FUREC so aggressively ?
So what is the link with Jilani mia ?
The answer is simple - Zainal Aqtab with his elder & more mature brothers run Hijaz College, in Nuneaton UK.
Jilani mia has a long association with Hijaz College, in fact two of his sons Yazdani Ashraf and Husaini Ashraf were educated there & Yazdani Ashraf is currently employed at Hijaz.
Jilani mia has been attending Hijaz College's annual UK function from India for many years and has gradually got to become the main guest and speaker. Rather than trying to talk Jilani mia out of leaving the kufri tanzeem that is FUREC, Zainal Aqtab, his associates, Jilani mias sons are all on the offensive & openly hostile to any Muslim who attacks FUREC & its kufri constitution.
Zainal Aqtab supports these people (FUREC Founders) and is prepared to defend their honour against any Muslim !!!
What FUREC say: ''Regular conduct meetings by all religious leaders and people from different religions respecting holy days of other religions will send a powerful message. If possible such gatherings can take place at the religious places where all persons from other religions also can gather on that day.'' Taken from the FUREC website!
It is with the utmost regret & sorrow that we are compelled to inform all Muslims of the recent impious action & further conspiracy initiated from Jilani Mia’s (JM) camp, spearheaded by one of his most outspoken supporters. This occurred last night during a spiritual gathering in Blackburn, where there were ‘Ulama & many Muslims present in excess of sixty, who will confirm the following too. In this gathering, a person received a phone call from someone claiming to be a certain Mr. Zaheeruddin of India.
Mr. Zaheeruddin stated he had just arrived from India & had to speak to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, Allah preserve & protect him, on some matter of extreme urgency. Innocently assuming the call to be genuine, the phone was handed over to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him. Upon answering the phone, it turned out that Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, was speaking to a Zainal Aqtab Siddiqui who is known & resides in the UK. This was a premeditated plan to deceive & lie about the true identity of Mr. Zaheeruddin in order to speak with Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him.
What followed was neither a discussion, nor representative of someone seeking clarity or sincerely concerned with the whole affair of the charge of ‘kufr’ on JM. Mr. Zainal Aqtab was throughout the conversation discourteous, arrogant & unwilling to allow Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, speak. The ‘Ulama around Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, soon realised this was no sincere or honest caller, this was the work of some deceiving & dishonest people who are merely intent on causing further mischief.
The same identified caller had previously approached another Scholar in person, presented JM’s case file consisting of copies of Fatawa’s, statements, official documents, etc, & demanded the respected Scholar to immediately announce his official support & loyalty to JM. He strongly argued that JM was on the ‘Haq’ & falsehood was on the ‘other side’. If this person was remotely sincere with the sincere intention to seek a Scholarly opinion from a Shari’ah perspective, surely he would allow the Scholar to read the alleged evidence & supporting documents before he could make any sincere & impartial Islamic Legal Interpretation. This was clear coercion, contrary to the clear commands of al-Qur’an & Sunnah & contempt of the Usuls of Islamic Sacred Law.
Mr. Zainal Aqtab adopted the same coercive & arrogant line of conversation with Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him. It was clear to all present something was not right & the caller was not simply rude but also harassing Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him.
The number of the caller was registered in the mobile phone so one of the respected Scholars returned the call to Mr. Zainal Aqtab. The respected Scholar at first overcome by emotions & anger at this evil deception & arrogant style of conversation, reprimanded the caller, reminding him he was unjust & unIslamic in his address to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, who after all is from the Blessed Progeny of the Beloved Messenger of Allah, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, a renowned Scholar, a Juris-consult & sagacious Scholar of the Ahl as-Sunnah w’al Jama’ah: The People of the Sunnah & the Authentic Community. Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, being senior to the caller in every sense. There were a few further exchanges, etc, also.
Upon addressing the issues concerned & clarifying the position of the majority Ashrafi Saadaat, eventually the caller was apologetic & seemed embarrassed for his outbursts & unfounded comments. He seemed shocked to learn of the vast support Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, had from within the Ashrafi family & the Ahl as-Sunnah w’al Jama’ah Scholars at large.
From the very outset Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, may Allah preserve & protect him, sincerely asked JM to repent. Until & unless he does not do so, the charge of ‘kufr’ will stand & our position in relation to that will not be compromised or undermined.
The Fatwa’ was written after serious investigation, research & with absolute consciousness of the Shar’iy responsibilities & its implications. The background & detailed circumstances leading up to the charge of ‘kufr’ are clearly documented in the book by Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam’s, may Allah preserve & protect him, “Sahifa’ai Hidayat” & “The Light of Truth.” Not forgetting the “10 Big Lies”.
We are fully aware of the ‘defence’ file JM & his supporters are distributing among the ‘Ulama. As for the content, it does not impair or weaken our resolve to carry out our Shar’iy obligation or change our Shar’iy opinion. We are also not dependent or reliant on issuing any new Fatwa’ in support of our Shar’iy opinion nor refute any new Fatwa’ in the apparent favour or in defence of JM’s case.
However, since the Fatwa’ obtained by JM were acquired by false statements & deceit hence, we shall further corroborate with our conclusive & overwhelming evidence. The evidence against JM is mounting & his obstinacy by character & actions with the charge, his deceit, lies & fraudulent activities have come to light for all to see. That which is built on lies & deceit will only manifest the same. No matter how hard they try to conceal or distort the Truth, the outcome will only bring further embarrassment as the Truth by its very essence & nature will always surface mightier & manifest itself stronger than ever.
Light of Truth
Saturday 15th July 2006
General review of Zain’s secretly recorded deceiving & conspired phone call : Part 2
Zain ul-aqtab & his minority group of followers, including Jilani mian, of hijaz college & solicitor [by profession] once again in their unique arrogant, deceitful & mischievous way on the 21st of July 2006, posted the audio recording of the conversation zain had with Shaykh al-Islam, Hadrat ‘Allama Sayyad Muhammad Madani Miya, May Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, preserve & protect him, on Google video.com. Google video is managed by Google itself, and should only be used for propagating positive and constructive material on Islam.
The recording on Google was not complete & they deliberately edited the very beginning when the call was made & the very end, in an impious attempt to deceive the general Muslims of their conspiracy & evil plans, contrary to Shari’ah principles & the Taqwa’ of Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime.
Zain did not fail in demonstrating his usual arrogance, disrespect & vanity to the extent he was laughing whilst speaking to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam. Zain’s premeditated call through his lies, deception, his inner impious nature & arrogant conduct during the conversation, all being subject to shar’iy reprimand, censure & contrary to the expected Taqwa’ of one who’s position in the Sunni Community is assumed to be of a scholar & pir!
What is so saddening is this precise point, that the two principal co-conspirers [zain & Jilani] & open liars are founders or affiliated with Muslim education/spiritual centres, namely, Hijaz College & Jami’ah Sufiyya respectively. If this is their representation of Islam & spirituality then indeed we are better off without it. They are not mureeds or students that one may overlook their impious actions & comments, NO; they are so-called religious/spiritual leaders of the Muslim Community. May Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, protect & us from such impious people & their deeds.
As for the content & the ‘supposed’ premeditated challenge, this it self was contrary to the Taqwa’ of Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime. It is obvious Jilani mia conspired & planned with zain to make such a challenge to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam on the following grounds:
the supposed challenge was not sincere, the call was made two days prior to, Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam’s departure. Jilani mia knew very well Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam always keeps to his schedules & pre-arranged itinerary, seldom making changes.
So the call was deliberately timed by the two principal impious & deceiving conspirers.
Also, Jilani mia knew very well Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam would not accept the challenge of munazarah with anyone, let alone a practising solicitor in kufr courts. What kind of conscience can such a person have? We’ve established that by his recent & overall conduct!
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, prior to his arrival to the UK made his position very clear. The charge of kufr was made after over a year of sincere counselling, advices & string of appeals. One can see, jeelani was given the opportunity many times but chose to ignore, create enmity, hostilities & open the doors of mischief. Contrary to what he supposedly teaches his mureeds & what he should be exemplifying to the students of Jami’ah Sufiyyah.
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam’s, position as jeelani knows since over a year & prior to arriving in the UK, was that he must unreservedly repent & resign from FUREC, to which incidentally he agreed to acknowledge his gross error in the month of March 2005. He also agreed to the text of the repentance declaration.
The visiting Scholars, who met Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, were informed of the facts & background leading to the charge of kufr. No scholar was coerced or asked to endorse the fatwa’ of Jami’ah Ashraf. They were merely informed because Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, knew very well Jilani mia would lower him self to many extremes to camouflage that which he knew he was consciously doing without any fear of Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, or the Hereafter.
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, is known to all for his lofty & exemplary disposition, humility, sagaciousness & knowledge. His astounding humility coupled with his Taqwa’ prevents Hadrat from leading such a role.
Public debates are conducted as a last resort when a conflict of immense importance & widespread mischief engulfs the Muslim community. Such is not the case here. It is obvious to all Muslims a public debate will not achieve anything but harm in the UK, especially with the current political volatile situation in the Middle-East. Even if such a debate is affected, seldom does one find the opposing parties reach an agreement, surrender to the ‘Truth’ or ever concede loosing. Each party claims victory & the hostilities, mischief & debates continue. A course of independent intellectual & Scholarly research for those who seem to be concerned with FUREC needs to be conducted first. The challenger himself is unaware of the facts & background leading to the charge of kufr, hence, making repeated errors & contradictions during the secretly recorded conversation. What humiliation! For that which he set out to use [the secret recording] in his justification to challenge is sufficient for his rebuttal & shar’iy reprimand & censure. And, they set out to disparage the good name of an undisputed pious & widely respected intellectual Scholar & sayyad but it resulted in their self humiliation & dishonour. “And, that for Allah, is not difficult.”
The charge of kufr is based on valid shar’iy grounds. The kufr is articulated & expressed in a coherent & objective manner, unambiguous, symbolic & representing erroneous, false & infidelic: kufriyyah theoretical/ideological beliefs influenced by theosophical theories which members of FUREC profess. This is common & manifest in the hindu, sikh, bhuddist, parsi & Zoroastrian religions. Adopted also by Kabbalah; a recently new religion with roots from Judaism & by Quakerism; [from Christianity] in their concept of ‘the inward light’ & ‘that of God within everyone’. There is no ambiguity in the words ‘Unity of Religions’, etc. The evidence is overwhelming & the research conducted & soon to be published.
Jilani mia knew very well of Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam’s great disposition & pious inner nature & character. He knew Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam for this reason alone would not allow the debate to happen, especially amongst the Sunni’s. Zain & Jilani mia conspired to take advantage of Hadrats’ exemplary nature & allowed shaytan to whisper the evil conspiracy in their impious hearts.
Relating further to the content of the secret deceitful recording by impious intentions; it was a gross example of zain’s sheer ignorance on the issue of kufr which he outspokenly wishes to defend. Zain is heard arrogantly & ignorantly laughing at Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, during Hadrat’s comments, however, when one insincerely & unjustifiably attempts to harm or disparage the one whom Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, holds dear, a Friend of Allah, no harm can come to him. Zain was physically & consciously laughing at Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, yet he was oblivious at the illogical & unsubstantiated statements he was making. Thus, making him self deplorable & laughable, before the discerning Muslims as we have already exposed & will continue to expose now & in the near future.
Jilani mia’s opposition & later rejection of repentance over a year ago till now for whatever reason it may be, must be shared by zain, since, they have so much affinity. They respect each other, champion & praise one another which, logically means they both are inwardly the same. Such a relationship is temporal & based on personal whims & caprice, never enduring or sustaining.
Some of zain’s laughable statements include:
his constant reference to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam’s fatwa’ & fatawa’ [plural] on the charge of kufr, when Hadrat has never once written a fatwa’. The immature & unprofessional solicitor has obviously not even studied the case which he has set out to defend & challenge. He was clearly demanding & interrogating Hadrat, “why did you write the irresponsible fatwa’?” And, when Hadrat said, “wait, soon you will see all the fatawa’ from India on this”, zain replied, “I have seen the fatawa’ ” to which Hadrat replied, “How could you have seen them when we haven’t published them yet?”
Hadrat wrote an istiftaa’ to be sent to a Mufti: Jurisconsult. [This remained with Hadrat until:]However, when Jilani mia agreed in being the mustafti himself as he confirmed in the letter to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, Hadrat forwarded his two drafts of the istiftaa’ & with additional documents for jeelani to sincerely use in his supposedly sincere intention to seek independent Shar’iy advice. But Jilani mia had other ideas to conspire & deceive, without fearing Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, & the Day of Reckoning, by constructing his own istiftaa’ following his caprice & intended to deceive the Mufti’s of Islam.
The Mufti of Jami’ah Ashraf, Shaykh al-Hadith, Hadrat ‘Allama Rada al-Haq Ashrafi, did not rely on the wording of the istiftaa’ & decided to investigate further into the facts. The outcome was not in Jilani mia’s favour & unhappy with this interpretation of Shari’ah, Jilani mia decided to seek further opinions from other Mufti’s based on his play with the linguistic meanings of certain words, directing the attention from the kufr theological/ideological doctrines of FUREC’s co-founders & ultimately resulting to the opinion which he conspired for & pleasing his personal whims & caprice.
Solicitor zain & Jilani mia know of the kufr of FUREC, but they have both planned & are contriving further all the time to find ways of camouflaging the kufr & misleading the ‘Ulama & Muslims in general.
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam categorically stated he considered FUREC an organisation based on kufr ideologies, ideologies which are published, professed widely in India & are found among many world religions. These false ideologies are contrary to the fundamental tenets of Islam.
Jilani mia admits in his ‘Declaration of Truth’ he was “an adviser in the deliberation” i.e. in the kufr found & articulated in the Surat Spiritual Declaration & in the Memorandum of Association of FUREC [Foundation for Unity of Religions & Enlightened Citizens]. And, from 15th October 2003 until June 15th 2004 was committed to launching FUREC as part of his ongoing active role as an ‘adviser in the deliberations’ & on June 15th proudly participated in FUREC’s launch, following on with him proudly distributing & propagating copies of the Hindu Today Magazine, featuring his two page exclusive with the editorial comments in Kichchocha Shareef, the SSD & FUREC’s Memorandum of Association, etc. This was distributed proudly by jeelani to the family members in Kichchocha before the occasion of the Blessed ‘Urs Mubarak. On this occasion jeelani was reproached by certain individuals with whom he was embarrassed & dismissive.
When the editorial & the two page feature were published in India Today, magazine which is widely read & circulated in India, there were other Sunni ‘Ulama’ in India who independently unassociated with Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam exposed & wrote focussing on FUREC’s & Jilani mia’s obvious kufr. So, zain’s & Jilani mia’s charge that the fatwa’ of kufr on Jilani mia is something which Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam conspired out of envy or jealousy is obviously baseless, unfounded & merely supports & confirms their own whims & caprice.
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam & Hadrat Ghazi e Millat, have every right to responsibly inform their mureeds, followers & the general Muslims in general wherever they go to warn & inform of Jilani mia’s kufr & association with FUREC.
Zain also complained that the public are confused about this whole affair. Firstly, yes, we agree they certainly will be confused when he, Jilani mia & co-conspirers obtain fatwa’s by deceit, make false statements, allege & fabricate conspiracies & resort to lies & linguistic manipulations.
Jilani mia has lied, has consequently become a habitual liar, having to constantly lie to conceal his first lie & subsequent lies. Overcome with so many lies he cannot remember all his lies that now the ‘Truth’ has overwhelmed him & his lies are diminished by the strength of the Truth of Islam. Such will be the outcome of this affair. Jilani mia & zain have not only co-conspired to conceal the kufr but have also made personal attacks on Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam. These attempted disparaging remarks have been published & widely distributed contrary to the Taqwa’ of Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime. Alhamdu lillah, the remarks have no bearing of the Truth & this also simply confirms their inner caprice, contrary to the Taqwa’ of Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, & as supposed religious/spiritual leaders with a reasonable following.
Zain has proved beyond a shadow of doubt he is unfit to debate, showed his ignorance of the facts surrounding the whole affair & has self asserted his incompetence to lead Muslims in general or his shar’iy competence to be a ‘Pir’.
He ignorantly humiliates himself further by arguing Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam made an error of judgement simply based on the fact that he does not understand the English language. This was also to be his position & asserted claim in the half-hearted challenged public debate. Once again, the ignorant zain make’s a self humiliating statement. Does he really believe Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam holds his opinion of FUREC’s kufr solely relying on his understanding or lack of understanding the English language? Does zain believe he is the only ‘alim’ who speaks English?
The SSD’s & FUREC’s official documentation, their publication & relevant material on FUREC’s website have been read, examined & investigated by a team of English speaking ‘Ulama in the UK & Europe & by professors of the English language.
Zain consistently makes another foolish & ignorant remark. He said he wants to debate on the ‘nazariyyat’ of Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam. Masha Allah! How much more humiliation can one bear of his self-humiliation. Hadrat’s ‘nazariyyat’ we ask? What ‘nazariyyat’ is he referring to? First he said his assertion/claim for the debate was to prove beyond a shadow of doubt before the public audience who are ‘confused’ as he states his concern, & later suggests he wants to debate on the ‘nazariyyat’ of Hadrat! He contrived, planned, lied, made a deceiving phone call for a half-hearted impious challenge, & yet failed miserably to convey a coherent challenge during his conversation. What can one expect when they believe that “if the shaytan says something that is ‘true’ we have to accept it” & when he does we must accept it! It’s obvious, where there inspirations come from.
There was no need to make a desperate half-hearted challenge merely to prove Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam does not understand the English Language! We could have saved him all the weeks of research & self-humiliation, all he had to do was ask!!! And, we demand to ask should he be ‘debating’ if that’s all it was down to?
‘Nazariyyat’ means theories, theoretical issues. Shouldn’t zain & Jilani mia’s advocates be enquiring & researching about the ‘nazariyyat’ of FUREC. The false & infidelic: kufriyyah ‘nazariyyat’ of ‘Unity of Religions’, etc, commonly found amongst religions followed in India save Islam.
Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, directly told him he was unnecessarily being involved in the dispute between himself & Jilani mia. He should abstain from Jilani mia’s advocacy & defending kufr! If Jilani mia sincerely believes he has been wronged or has been unfairly treated he should bring his dispute directly to Hadrat.
Further humiliation zain brought on to himself was when he suggested Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam named his Book ‘Sahifa e Hidayat’ with the intention to imply a Heavenly Book as was revealed by Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, upon His previous Messengers, ‘alayhim us-salam.
There he is on the one hand concealing the clear kufr of FUREC written by a group of infidels, one heretic & Jilani mia, claiming they all had good intentions, they were all in a state of ‘unity of minds’ & the whole infidel clan, the heretic & Jilani mia implied meanings which did not conflict with Islam. So understanding they were of Muslim beliefs & sentiments that this was made clear from the very first day. He claims the words are ambiguous and meanings which are ‘acceptable’ [to them] may be implied. And, when it comes to a Book written by Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam he ignores the linguistic meanings of ‘sahifa’ which literally means: leafs or pages of a book. However, the argument by example itself was very weak & only humiliated him further.
But the most deplorable, detestable & self-humiliating comment made by zain was when towards the very end of the conversation speaking to another Scholar in the audience he makes the following remarks to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, ‘Allama Sayyad Muhammad Madani Miya:
“That guru of yours, I have given my challenge for munazara.”
[“We take refuge in the perfect words of Allah, from His wrath, His punishment, the evil of His servants & from the whispering of devils & lest they come to me.” Ameen]
We will ask the general Muslims, Scholars & Masha’ikh of the Ahl as-Sunnah w’al Jama’ah, to evaluate for themselves the enormity of & heresy of addressing a Scholar of Islam & a member of the Progeny of Rasul 'Allah, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, with a disparaging & insolent word as ‘guru’?
Indeed, zain has endangered his faith, lost all honour, wasted his deeds & hurt Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, His Beloved Messenger, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, & all the Ahl al-Bayt of Sayyiduna Rasul Allah, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. And, to further fall deep in Shar’iy reprimand & censure he & his evil group have broadcasted their secretly recorded conversation & aired it on Google unedited With these impious & faith damaging remarks.
Shame on them who conspired with this feeble attempt to harm Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, for they have harmed themselves & merely elevated the status of Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam, more. And, shame too on those who congratulated zain on this despicable & evil act.
Be warned & this is far from any joke - this is indeed humiliation from Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, for those who have conspired to harm, slander, vilify & hurt one of His dear Servants, from His Awliya’ & from the Blessed Progeny of the Beloved Messenger of Allah, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, have indeed hurt Allah, The Most Majestic & The Most Sublime. Allah, the Most Majestic & The Most Sublime, has warned:
The Beloved Messenger of Allah, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said:
“Indeed, Allah, Most Sublime says: ‘He who is hostile to a friend [wali] of Mine I declare war against. [When] My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory for him and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes and his foot with which he walks. If he asks Me, I will surely give to him and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him.’ ”
“I declare war against”
I inform him that I shall make war upon him, meaning that Allah will deal with him as one at war does, namely, with manifestations of omnipotent force and majesty, this being the ultimate threat. I shall fight this enemy for him, i.e. destroy him. And this is a very severe threat for opposing or having enmity towards someone Allah loves.
“hostile to a friend”
Out of mere obstinacy or envy or to disparage or abuse him & similar kinds of ill-treatment.
Light of Truth
Sunday 23rd July 2006
On this page we shall give you the evidence of when the Islam786Forum was 'invaded' by Zainal Aqtabs' close freinds, students and multi ID fraudsters who poured nothing but abuse, slander, lies as well as contradicted themselves. A topic of discussion was opened requesting an adultlike sensible debate with Zainal Aqtab Siddiqui ..... this is the unexpected response we got!!
The abuse, lies, slander and major contradictions by USER ID - Fakir786
''Shaykh Madani Miah scared of meeting with the ulema'' - 17/7/06 at 1:04am GMT
''he should have the humility to meet them'' - 17/7/06 at 1:11am
''His current position does not show him in a good light at all'' - 17/7/06 at 1:11am
''I haven't been disrespectful to anyone and i won't edit anything'' - 17/7/06 at 1:19am
''If he is sincere in his accusations '' - 17/7/06 at 2:16am
''Hazrat Zain Sahib is questioning it because he believes Shaykh Madani Miah is wrong as do many other ulema including many muftis'' - 17/7/06 at 2:16am
''I have read the rather flimsy document constituting the "Light of Truth" and it doesn't hold any weight with me'' - 17/7/06 at 2:16am
''We support Hazrat Jilani Miah's affiliation to FUREC'' - 17/7/06 at 2:16am
''Your english leaves much to be desired'' - 17/7/06 at 2:24am
''You people are so sad'' - 17/7/06 at 2:29am
''You can't answer simple questions'' - 17/7/06 at 2:29am
''You place labels next to anyone who dares to oppose your opinions and your mashaykh haven't got the guts to meet and debate with the Ulema of the UK and instead hide behind an internet forum which is controlled by their mureeds. Hardly a level playing field. Anyway you are reinforcing my view that this all jealousy on the part of the accusers.'' - 17/7/06 at 2:29am
''the reality is he (Jilani Mia) is a bigger person than they (Hadrat Shaykh al Islam and Hadrat Ghazi al Millat) are. End of story. - 17/7/06 at 2:29am
''Don't make me laugh. Your continued lies will be exposed in due course.'' - 17/7/06 at 9:04pm
''We support Hazrat Jilani Mia's innocence.'' - 17/7/06 at 9:38pm
''When have I at any point said that i support FUREC'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''he has a right to be affiliated to FUREC'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''Hazrat Jilani Mia has made it quite clear he does not support anything that contradicts the noble aqaid of ahle-as-sunnah-wal-jammat or the sublime shariat.'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''i heard the conversation, Hazrat Zain was extremely polite to Shaykh Madani Mia'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''after some evasion, Shaykh Madani Mia finally made clear that he was not one to ask for fatawa and his judgement had been made''. - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''Shaykh Madani Mia is in the wrong'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''Shaykh Madani Mia attempted to brush off the challenge, byt Shaykh Zain persisted. Then the phone was taken by an extrememely rude man from Shaykh Madani Mia's entorouge who then subjected Shaykh Zain to a barrage of verbal abuse including much swearing and lude language'' - 18/7/06 at 1:27am
''what about the rather ridiculous accusation about Hazrat Jilani Mia being addressed as Reverend'' - If his accusers will persist in this truly pathetic form of accusation, i would like to know whether they will extend this to their own Shaykh Madani Mia who in many places is referred to as "His Eminence" - Is thus Shaykh Madani Mia also then culpuble of kufr for being called his Eminence??? - 18/7/06 at 1:50am
''Also i was a witness to the phone conversation'' - - 18/7/06 at 1:52am
''Also let it be known that in the course of the call that Shaykh Madani Mia admitted he might be wrong about the whole thing.'' - 18/7/06 at 1:52am
''Please stop with the pathetic lies'' - 18/7/06 at 1:52am
''Eh, when did i ever say that'' - 18/7/06 at 2:09pm
''get your facts straight, perhaps learning some english would help'' - 18/7/06 at 2:09pm
''Now instead of all this stupid banter which i don't really care for because u can call me liar all day it is of no consequence because i am a nobody and i don't really care what your opinions of me are'' - 18/7/06 at 2:09pm
''As for Hazrat Zain Sahib, i don't think he'll bother lowering himself to debating with people who are quite clearly ignorant of adab, shariah and the truth'' - 18/7/06 at 2:09pm
''The Surat Spiritual Declaration calls religions "beautiful gardens", so what?'' - 18/7/06 at 2:09pm
''this is really getting laughable now'' - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
''I have never claimed to support FUREC and am still not doing so. I have said that Hazrat Jilani Mia has done nothing wrong in joining them'' - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
''The Ulema of Ahle-as-Sunnah-wal-Jamaat have not united against Hazrat Jilani Mia, in fact the majority of Muftis so far asked for judgements here in the UK, South Africa and the Indian Subcontinent have supported Hazrat Jilani Mia, get your facts straight.'' - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
As for the benefit of FUREC for Muslims, in India where Muslims are in a minority and often the victims of communal violence then inter-faith dialogue is a priority to safeguard the lives and honor of Muslims. - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
''The question here is one of shariah, not of personalities as several people have pointed out'' - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
''all you are doing is highlighting your jahiliyat'' - 18/7/06 at 3:09pm
''There are numerous interpretations that can be made off all FUREC's aims and objectives, however Shaykh Madani Mia and his people have only looked at the worst, thus deviating from a set principle of the shariah'' - 18/7/06 at 4:10pm
''If no-one can answer this point or any of the other shariah points i have made with an answer from shariah not jahiliyat within the next 3 days, i claim victory in this debate, as so far all responses have been merely to attempt to character assasinate myself and HZS, which in a debate on shariah count for nothing. I'll not respond again until those points have been answered or you people have failed in the attempt.'' - 18/7/06 at 4:10pm
''Again who i am is irrelevent, if the Shaitain says something that is true we have to accept it.'' - 18/7/06 at 4:34pm
''I'm not afraid of anything, but there is no point in debating with people who do not even understand principles of shariah and like salafys ask for hadiths to back up everything. '' - 18/7/06 at 5:10pm
More to come ....
Comments from USER ID : Mohsin aka Faqir786
aslam wa aly kum wa rahmatullah
i want to know the true facts about the dispute that is going on between
syed shaikh ul islam pir madani mia al-jillani and JILLANI MIA
if you can let me know as soon as possible
jazak allah
Reply #28 on 17/7/06 at 3:31pm »
sallam again
sorry to bother you again, i only want to know what is going on ,
so i can make a judgement, because i have been hearing all sort of different stories,
let me know ASAP
jazakallah
Reply #75 on 18/7/06 at 5:20pm »
this iz not ismaeel this a person who will set u straight
Reply #78 on 18/7/06 at 5:23pm »
this is mohsin ali
Reply #80 on 18/7/06 at 5:26pm »
go on den tel me the answer to my question
Reply #81 on 18/7/06 at 5:30pm »
listen dont judge a person, caz u dnt no the truth , so don say those things about my shaikh
caz he is more knowlegeable then u nur p so called shayk ul islam
Reply #87 on 18/7/06 at 5:35pm »
wat happened cant say anything.........................just as a girl
Reply #89 on 18/7/06 at 5:41pm »
you are bunch og girls because if you personally think he waznt a amujadid then bring
a debate on with one of the family members.................. if ur not scared
Reply #91 on 18/7/06 at 5:45pm »
wat u want a debate or wot
Reply #95 on 18/7/06 at 5:55pm »
The hadith about 70 excuses is mentioned in Bayhaqi
Reply #17 on 19/7/06 at 4:03pm »
wat iz this about the aqtab brothers taking money from wahabiz n shias
caz they dnt, the 1 who takes £500 for spreading deen is xxxxxxxxxxxx,
(giving a speech) so dnt spread these lies about the aqtab brothers
caz they all are very humble and respectful so dont bullshit
peace
Reply #19 on 19/7/06 at 4:17pm »
so u cnt say nething bout the aqtab brothers caz they all r shaykhs,
pirs.scholers.n all got a great proffession (better than the madni mia
n hashmi mia and noorani mia, BETTER THAN ALL OF THE ASHRAFI CLANG)
so FOOLS b4 u judge any of the brothers look at urself ok FOOLS
sallam hahahahaha
Reply #20 on 19/7/06 at 4:24pm »
you think hazrat zain saab is a discrease you need to look at yourself before judging a great scholar of islam such as hazrat zain saab .
Reply #21 on 19/7/06 at 4:28pm »
Reply #126 on 19/7/06 at 10:42pm » Admin : MOHSIN IS POSTING BELOW : (HE FORGOT HE WAS LOGGED IN AS MOHSIN, SO HE QUICKLY HAD TO ADD THE FAQIR786 BIT IN AT THE END AND EDIT HIS POST
I reiterate bring your witnesses if you are truthful. You have approximatley a day and a half left. You can keep on going on with your conspiracies about who i and other posters here may or may not be, but answer the questions, or deny these as shariah principles.
A day and a half and counting.
However i continue to defend Hazrat Jilani Mia, Hazrat Zain sahib and all my mashaykh, i also continue to stand by my assertion as a witness that Hazrat Zain Sahib has not been rude to or disrespected Shaykh Madani Mia
FAQIR 786
p.s. yes i am posting under Mohsin's login, he is sitting here with me and has kindly
allowed me to post under his name as i will be unable to come on later tonight
(when my login will be reactivated after my ban) as i have to attend to some buisness. I've told him to apologise and Alhamdullilah he has, i hope you will accept it in the manner in which it is intended
« Last Edit: 19/7/06 at 10:45pm by mohsin »
Posts made by the USER ID ''Saifullah'' (who in fact is Faqir786 & Mohsin Ali)
« Reply #104 on 19/7/2006 at 5:20pm »
Hazrat Zain sahib is only interested in debating with ulema and on this topic. Shaykh Madani Mia.
As such he will be flying out to India in the very near future to continue the debate there with the Shaykh himself.
« Reply #106 on 19/7/2006 at 5:37pm »
Sad, so sad.
By the way i'm not Mohsin Ali or anyone else, but myself Saifullah.
« Reply #116 on 19/7/2006 at 6:44pm »
Faqir cannot post until about midnight tonight because of his ban, which i doubt he will cos he's got to get out early 2morrow.
Oh and lastly i'll just repeat myself, Shaykh Zain has gone off to India, he doesn't have time for small fry like those on this forum, he is off to speak to Shaykh Madani Mia himself.
« Reply #118 on 19/7/2006 at 6:54pm »
Eh yes of course we didn't appear online together, because we're all using the same computer, of course believing the words of Muslims doesn't appeal to people here. And you call other people extremists.
Oh and for the last time Shaykh Zain has gone to debate with your Shaykh-ul-Islam. Will you do taubah when he does and apologise to Hazrat Jilani Mia, Hazrat Zain Siddiqi, etc etc
« Reply #120 on 19/7/2006 at 6:58pm »
Such a pity u don't have the first conversation recorded... i wonder if anyone does... that would put paid to your lies about Shaykh Zain's conduct then.
You see he wasn't rude therefore he has nothing to apologise for.
Shaykh Madani got upset because Shaykh Zain was the first person ever to challenge him for Munazare and for that reason Muftis from around the world phoned him up next morning and roundly congratulated him.
More to come
Whilst Raees al Muhaqiqeen Hadrat Shaykh al Islam wa'l Muslimeen through his many years of travel throughout Asia converted many non-Muslims (including many hindus to Islam) he now faces a challenge from his own nephew Jilani Mia and his very close aide Zainal Aqtab Siddiqui who are supporting these people.
We ask him Why ?
No one had ever heard of Zainal Aqtab Siddiqui until he tried to make a name for himself by deviously phoning Hadrat Shaykh al Islam to ask him for a munazara/debate ?
To debate what exactly ...... why FUREC IS GOOD FOR MUSLIMS ?
Since he made the request on the 14th July 2006, we are still waiting patiently for him to respond to his own challenge.
Where are you Zainal Aqtab ?